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		<title>By: Fitch&#8217;s paradox and self locating belief &#171; Possibly Philosophy</title>
		<link>http://possiblyphilosophy.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/the-paradox-of-rational-believability/#comment-679</link>
		<dc:creator>Fitch&#8217;s paradox and self locating belief &#171; Possibly Philosophy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been thinking about to do with a version of the knowabality principle for rational belief. Back in this post I considered a version of Fitch&#8217;s paradox for rational belief, which shows the following [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://possiblyphilosophy.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/the-paradox-of-rational-believability/#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for not getting back quicker!! 

Yes, I didn&#039;t think about that. That&#039;s interesting because the principle doesn&#039;t hold for K either, when K is read as &#039;it is known by someone or other&#039;. That said, only the other direction is needed for the Fitch proof ($latex K(p\wedge q) \rightarrow (Kp \wedge Kq)$) and that direction is much less controversial.

Either way, the application I had in mind in the update required only reading Bp as &#039;one rationally believes that p&#039;. For the original verificationist principle, you could give the quantifier over believers wide scope: &quot;there is some possible individual, x, such that, if p is true, then it is possible for x to rationally believe p.&quot; The proof acts as a reductio of this principle, which also sounds like the kind of thing the verificationist would be committed to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for not getting back quicker!! </p>
<p>Yes, I didn&#8217;t think about that. That&#8217;s interesting because the principle doesn&#8217;t hold for K either, when K is read as &#8216;it is known by someone or other&#8217;. That said, only the other direction is needed for the Fitch proof (<img src='http://l.wordpress.com/latex.php?latex=K%28p%5Cwedge+q%29+%5Crightarrow+%28Kp+%5Cwedge+Kq%29&#038;bg=ffffff&#038;fg=61636a&#038;s=0' alt='K(p\wedge q) \rightarrow (Kp \wedge Kq)' title='K(p\wedge q) \rightarrow (Kp \wedge Kq)' class='latex' />) and that direction is much less controversial.</p>
<p>Either way, the application I had in mind in the update required only reading Bp as &#8216;one rationally believes that p&#8217;. For the original verificationist principle, you could give the quantifier over believers wide scope: &#8220;there is some possible individual, x, such that, if p is true, then it is possible for x to rationally believe p.&#8221; The proof acts as a reductio of this principle, which also sounds like the kind of thing the verificationist would be committed to.</p>
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		<title>By: acotnoir</title>
		<link>http://possiblyphilosophy.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/the-paradox-of-rational-believability/#comment-208</link>
		<dc:creator>acotnoir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, that should have been $latex Bp \wedge B \neg p$.</description>
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		<title>By: acotnoir</title>
		<link>http://possiblyphilosophy.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/the-paradox-of-rational-believability/#comment-207</link>
		<dc:creator>acotnoir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m wondering about distribution over conjunction.

I think most people (except dialetheists) won&#039;t accept it for the following reason:

$latex Bp \wedge B \neq p$

but notice

$latex \neg B (p \wedge \neg p)$

I&#039;d imagine most won&#039;t accept that it is rational to believe a contradiction, even though it may be rationally believed that p and also rationally believed that not-p by someone else (at some other time) etc. 

For my own part, I&#039;ve got no problems with contradictions being rationally believed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m wondering about distribution over conjunction.</p>
<p>I think most people (except dialetheists) won&#8217;t accept it for the following reason:</p>
<p><img src='http://l.wordpress.com/latex.php?latex=Bp+%5Cwedge+B+%5Cneq+p&#038;bg=ffffff&#038;fg=61636a&#038;s=0' alt='Bp \wedge B \neq p' title='Bp \wedge B \neq p' class='latex' /></p>
<p>but notice</p>
<p><img src='http://l.wordpress.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cneg+B+%28p+%5Cwedge+%5Cneg+p%29&#038;bg=ffffff&#038;fg=61636a&#038;s=0' alt='\neg B (p \wedge \neg p)' title='\neg B (p \wedge \neg p)' class='latex' /></p>
<p>I&#8217;d imagine most won&#8217;t accept that it is rational to believe a contradiction, even though it may be rationally believed that p and also rationally believed that not-p by someone else (at some other time) etc. </p>
<p>For my own part, I&#8217;ve got no problems with contradictions being rationally believed.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://possiblyphilosophy.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/the-paradox-of-rational-believability/#comment-205</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah! Thanks for that reference. Yeah, I was thinking it would be a little strange if no one had noticed this before. 

It seems reflection is weaker than introspection + consistency, which I guess says something for going about it via that route. I&#039;ll definitely check it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah! Thanks for that reference. Yeah, I was thinking it would be a little strange if no one had noticed this before. </p>
<p>It seems reflection is weaker than introspection + consistency, which I guess says something for going about it via that route. I&#8217;ll definitely check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Aidan McGlynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aidan McGlynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mackie has a short paper in Analysis from 1980 arguing that factivity isn&#039;t essential to the proof. You just need (what Linsky, in an Analysis paper six years later, calls) reflection:

Reflection: O~Op -&gt; ~Op

Now, if O is factive, we obviously get reflection for free too. But Mackie explores some arguments for thinking some non-factive operators obey reflection. For example, he argues that &#039;it is justifiably believed at t&#039; supports reflection, even though it&#039;s not factive. Definitely worth a look, especially since it&#039;s such a short read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mackie has a short paper in Analysis from 1980 arguing that factivity isn&#8217;t essential to the proof. You just need (what Linsky, in an Analysis paper six years later, calls) reflection:</p>
<p>Reflection: O~Op -&gt; ~Op</p>
<p>Now, if O is factive, we obviously get reflection for free too. But Mackie explores some arguments for thinking some non-factive operators obey reflection. For example, he argues that &#8216;it is justifiably believed at t&#8217; supports reflection, even though it&#8217;s not factive. Definitely worth a look, especially since it&#8217;s such a short read.</p>
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